tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2074246508221440257.post2083905209385752102..comments2023-10-17T10:45:07.796-04:00Comments on FJB: Out Rate: a Simple New Upgrade on OBPUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2074246508221440257.post-16215484097962192872010-07-28T15:57:52.962-04:002010-07-28T15:57:52.962-04:00Fascinating. And who has the best OR among the Na...Fascinating. And who has the best OR among the Nats' hitters? Adam Dunn of course (.638), who has only 2 GDPs, compared to 10 for Zim and Hammer, and 18 for Pudge. Zim (.650) is next, followed by ... Michael Morse (.651). Willingham is a .698, same as Justin Maxwell.<br /><br />Felipe Lopez has a 50 point advantage over Nyjer. Ouch.Section 222https://www.blogger.com/profile/17106128453333996193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2074246508221440257.post-13288822412634909812010-07-28T12:01:50.575-04:002010-07-28T12:01:50.575-04:00I think this statement is a problem : "It doe...I think this statement is a problem : "It doesn't really matter how they are creating outs. Outs are outs" <br /><br />That's not right. An "OBP" out is an absolute. Either you get on and can score or you don't and can't. A CS out or an OOB out is an out trying to increase your ability to score. Because the goal of the game is to score runs not to avoid outs, this matters. By not factoring the successes along with the failure outrate will always favor those who don't get caught stealing (seems to be the main difference driver between OBP and this stat). Sometimes that'll be a great base stealer (Victorino) but usually it'll be those that just don't steal alot of bases (Lopez, DeJesus, Coghlan) <br /><br />Of course that in itself could be the argument - that it's worth it to go with a slow leadoff hitter because they make less outs and so few SB guys can hit the break even point. But I'd hate to see an new era Vince Coleman get knocked down because he got CS so many times even if the percentage was good.Harperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07738813756060133236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2074246508221440257.post-66802516965584046132010-07-27T22:09:02.348-04:002010-07-27T22:09:02.348-04:00This isn't intended to be a catch-all stat for...This isn't intended to be a catch-all stat for offensive value. Look for wOBA to do that. This just pure and simple tells you how many outs per PA the player creates. That's a very useful metric, though not comprehensive.Stevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14109288910583404941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2074246508221440257.post-7998340703272830922010-07-27T16:22:28.332-04:002010-07-27T16:22:28.332-04:00I agree with flippin. There needs to be some way t...I agree with flippin. There needs to be some way to weight stolen bases.<br /><br />As you linked on the sidebar, the FanGraphs article about SB runs basically explains my problem. Rajai Davis, for example, is the third most valuable player in creating runs through SBs (2.75), but because he created 6 outs by getting caught stealing in 35 attempts (a fantastic 83% success rate), his Out Rate is negatively impacted, whereas a player with the exact same statistics, who never attempted to steal a base, would have a better Out Rate.<br /><br />If you could integrate the FanGraphs SB runs into your stat, it would be greatly improved, or even simply adding in some sort of net stolen bases element (SB-CS).Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01902355704452340677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2074246508221440257.post-30556861036892861142010-07-27T14:57:25.673-04:002010-07-27T14:57:25.673-04:00I agree with wieghting the type of "hit."...I agree with wieghting the type of "hit." I also think some sort of *net* value for base running would add more value to the stat. So, something like (sb-cs) would reflect the other reason you have a guy leading off: better chance of getting into scoring position. Also, if the player is charming, he should get points for that...flippinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10034472948817136396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2074246508221440257.post-21208560278489025622010-07-27T14:08:15.210-04:002010-07-27T14:08:15.210-04:00ahh... than the stat is perfect. Though I like th...ahh... than the stat is perfect. Though I like the twist of giving a player credit for good things done on the bases suggested by Eric.JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305590708741707447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2074246508221440257.post-27821064975273937092010-07-27T13:46:06.729-04:002010-07-27T13:46:06.729-04:00not counted as outs.not counted as outs.Stevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14109288910583404941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2074246508221440257.post-11542402037584421032010-07-27T13:39:07.518-04:002010-07-27T13:39:07.518-04:00I like the concept. How does this treat OOB that ...I like the concept. How does this treat OOB that are just simple FCs? It's not a guy's fault if he's the forceout from a guy behind him.JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305590708741707447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2074246508221440257.post-67716848916063505672010-07-27T10:35:21.885-04:002010-07-27T10:35:21.885-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06460478739235992651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2074246508221440257.post-17617005675107245082010-07-27T10:34:12.292-04:002010-07-27T10:34:12.292-04:00Ever thought about matching this with offensive co...Ever thought about matching this with offensive contribution in bases?<br /><br />Absolute Total Bases: TB+BB+IBB+HBP+SB.<br /><br />ATB/OR=Bases per Out.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06460478739235992651noreply@blogger.com