Dave Sheinen's blog post this morning took the Olsen hype to strange, hilarious new heights, comparing him to Erik Bedard, Joe Saunders, and Oliver Perez. Behold this head-slapping passage:
At the very least, Olsen should be a league-average lefty good for 30-plus starts and 200-plus innings--a highly underappreciated asset in today's game. (Just look at how valuable Odalis Perez was for the Nats last year.) And at best, he could be a breakout star whom the Nats have under their control for the next three years.Woah, baby! Breakout star! Let's calm down and look at the stats.
My prediction: After an excellent spring, Olsen is the Nats' Opening Day starter next April.
In the last few years, a whole new category of stats have emerged that attempt to isolate a pitcher's performance from the things outside his control. The reason these stats are so important if for guys like Scott Olsen, whose 4.20 ERA in '08 vastly overrates his actual performance.
Traditional stats like ERA are fraught with problems--ERA gives a pitcher credit he doesn't deserve for good defense, pitcher-friendly ballparks, effective relief pitching that strands a lot of runners, arbitrary rules about what constitutes an earned run vs. an unearned run, and dumb luck. Check out Dave Cameron's excellent, oft-cited essay on evaluating pitchers at USS Mariner for much more detail, if you're interested. These new stats look at the things that are in a pitcher's controls--strikeout rate, walk rate, groundball/flyball ratio, etc.--and factors out the "luck" factors to more accurately measure the quality of a pitcher's performance. For more background on defense-independent pitching stats, read this.
As I pointed out last night, Olsen's '08 ERA was helped enormously by a totally unsustainable .266 BABIP against (usually this number is around .290-.300, and the difference is luck and defense, not pitcher's skill).
So how good (or bad) was Olsen last year? Again, last night I walked through a series of the most concerning stats--his fast-plummeting velocity and strikeout rates, for instance. But to sum it all up, let's look at some of these new-fangled defense-independent pitching metrics. To get a range of methodologies and sources, I'm going to look at a number of these different stats:
- FIP (fielding independent pitching): This is Tom Tango stat which is based on HRs, HBPs, BBs, and Ks only and then massaged to look like the familiar ERA. I'm using the Fangraphs formula (Hardball Times uses a slightly different calculation to get at the same thing).
- xFIP (expected FIP): Similar to the above, but it adjusts for the luck factors associated with HR rates, like park factor and random fluctuation in HR per flyball rate, which can be quite large and not the result of a repeatable skill. This stat from Hardball Times.
- tRA* (I think this stands for "true runs allowed"): This is the most complicated methodology, but also probably the best. Created by Graham MacAree, tRA basically assigns a value for more or less every event that has been shown to be within a pitcher's control--not just HBPs, Ks, BBs, and HRs, but also groundball rate, flyball rate, and a bunch of other things. tRA* erases some additional randomness by regressing each pitcher's stat to the league mean. Here's a fairly simple essay explaining the stat, and if you really want to get into the muck on this one, try this one.
FIP | xFIP | tRA* | |
John Lannan | 4.79 | 4.47 | 4.74 |
Garrett Mock | 3.84 | 3.91 | 4.77 |
Odalis Perez | 4.62 | 4.47 | 4.93 |
Shawn Hill | 4.06 | 4.58 | 4.98 |
Collin Balester | 5.11 | 5.18 | 5.10 |
Tim Redding | 4.93 | 4.99 | 5.16 |
Jason Bergmann | 5.12 | 5.12 | 5.28 |
Scott Olsen | 5.02 | 5.05 | 5.29 |
Mock's 41-inning sample size should be taken with a little more of a grain of salt, but the bottom line here is that there's no stat that would have put Olsen in the top five starters for the Nationals in 2008. Of the group in the running for next year, FIP and xFIP has him fifth, behind Lannan, Mock, Hill, and Redding, and tRA* says he was flat out the worst of the bunch. (And take out that horrid last start from Balester in Philly, and he would be kicking Olsen all over the yard by every measure--you can't do that, because that start happened, but still.)
Olsen's 5.29 tRA* in '08 put him 109th out of 130 pitchers with 100 IP. (Coincidentally, he's squeezed right between Jason Bergmann and Bowden castoff Darrell Rasner on that list.)
Also, consider this: 2008 was actually a bounce-back year for Olsen. In 2007, he posted a 5.33 FIP, 4.98 xFIP, and 5.83 tRA* (don't ask me why his xFIP actually was a bit better in '07--this is why I wanted a range of sources and methods). That 5.83 tRA* was the 123rd best out of 129 pitchers with 100 IP.
And finally, one last thing to factor in here. Olsen's '08, as bad as it was, was significantly helped by the fact that he had the good fortune to face the Nationals--the league's worst offense--five times, throwing a total of 31 2/3 innings against us, more than any other opponent. And against the Nationals, he posted a 3.41 ERA (these fancy stats aren't available by opponent split), while posting a 4.34 ERA against the rest of the NL. Next year, he won't have the luxury of facing the hapless Nats for 15% of his IP.
The overrating of Olsen is a classic example of a psychological phenomenon known as "first impression bias," a phenomenon where people are strongly influenced by the first piece of information they learned about a person or thing. Most people heard of Olsen for the first time when he first came up in 2006, and he indeed had a very nice little rookie season.
Unfortunately for the Nationals, however, every other season in Olsen's career before and after that 2006 season tells a different story. He was a fringey prospect in the minors from '02-'05, and has been one of the worst starting pitchers in baseball in '07 and '08.
(NOTE: Basil notes in the comments that it's quite inaccurate to describe Olsen as a former "fringey prospect." As he says, he was a true top prospect with great strikeout ability and a plus-slider. The reason I'm down on him is because of what we've seen the last two years, as his velocity, K-rate, and other peripherals have fallen off a cliff. Even the slider isn't missing bats. Guys don't just lose 3 mph and 3 Ks per 9 out of the blue for no reason. I'm looking at the last two years and concluding that he's no longer the guy who was rated highly coming up.)
Yesterday's trade was supposedly made for the present. We sacrificed prospects to get better now. And indeed, Josh Willingham will be an offensive upgrade for us in left field. His bade defense will give back some of his value compared to, say, Willie Harris, but I acknowledge the Nationals will be better with Willingham. Maybe even 2-3 wins worth.
However, giving Perez's innings pitched to Scott Olsen will surely make us worse, maybe enough to wipe out all the improvement we get out of Willingham.
So here's my prediction: Olsen bursts into flames in spring training on the mound, which triggers a series of confrontations with teammates and Manny, and he has to open the season either suspended or in AAA. After a series of bad starts in Syracuse, Bowden brings him up, mostly to entertain his own ego. Olsen lasts 3 starts, posts an ERA over 10, and finally Bowden is forced to send him back down, but not before publicly questioning Olsen's desire and work ethic in what will be a successful effort to turn Nationals fans against their own player, a la Aaron Crow and Ryan Church.
12 comments:
Not to be snarky, but I hope you are wrong here and he turns out to be a good pick up. I am not super optimistic.
I hope I'm wrong too, but there's no evidence to expect better. It's true Olsen's only 24, but guys don't magically turn from crappy to good just cuz they're older. There has to be talent there to begin with. To drink the Sheinen kool-aid on this deal, you have to totally ignore everything we know about statistical evaluation of pitchers.
You make some pretty salient points at times here(*), but to state that Olsen was a "fringey prospect" either overlooks or willfully disregards opinion of Olsen at the time or his performance at the time. For instance:
- Olsen was rated Florida's No. 2 prospect after the '04 season (second to Jeremy Hermida, who was considered an excellent prospect);
- In a November '04 post at the Baseball Analysts website, Bryan Smith (now of BPro) rated Olsen as the No. 1 LHP prospect, ahead of Cole Hamels, while specifically noting that he believed that BA was overrating Olsen.
- Olsen retained his No. 2 in-system status after the '05 season, again second to Hermida.
- Olsen struck out well over a batter per inning during his minor league career. His walk rate was higher than you'd like to see, but there was evidence of a power arm and a devastating slider.
The relevant question, of course, is whether Olsen has retained his ability sufficiently going forward in order to adapt and refine as needed to be a successful pitcher. But his ability was readily apparent back when he was emerging on the scene.
(*)although I doubt anyone's too hung up on Olsen because of confirmation bias -- if any psychological response were driving opinion, you'd think it would be negative, owing to the guy's reputation!
Oh, and I don't know why I can't change my name from Cpt. Lance Murdock. That was just a goof identity so that I could post comments, after my old blogger ID went poof.
--Basil
you're right. 'fringey prospect' isn't fair. the data I'm most concerned about is the last 2 years. There's a lot of data there, and I think it's the most recent data that should get the most weight.
Is it possible you are being blinded by stats here and do not see his physical skills. I said he was the best Arm....that means stuff not ERA which you say yourself means nothing…….
We need potential....nobody in the farm has his arm (stuff).....this is like Dukes or Emilo B.....both sides hope they develop....cost was low. I like pitchers who can toss 200 IP without getting hurt. I like pitchers with a mean streak….I like hard throwing left handers……..Nats have nobody close to that….not Ross, not Smoker, nobody.
Actually, I've watched him more than I'd care to admit. I've probably watched 25-30 Scott Olsen starts, in fact, between his games against the Nationals and other games I watched for 'fun.' My primary dislike of him is based on direct observatoin, and the stats are confirming what my eyes told me.
Olsen throws and 87-88 mph fastball. He is NOT a hard-thrower. In fact, Detwiler and Smoker both throw quite a bit harder. When he was good in 2006, Olsen had a sharp slider set up by a low-90s fastball. When his command was on, he was very, very good.
But since then the slider's lost snap and the fastball's lost velocity. He's gone from a guy who got by with good but not great velocity, but the last 2 years he's become a Lannan-esque soft-tosser, without the composure or nifty curve.
Really.....if that is true I missed the change in his suff......and so did the whole Nats Scouting department......or Jimbo is running the show as your new post talks to..........I have been saying for awhile that Stan is out and you have been saying I am wrong........we should know soon.
I don't think I ever said you were wrong. I might have said, "I don't know about that," but if I did, I meant it literally.
But I certainly have no strong evidence to conclude one way or another. I'm just noting that the team is acting like it's fully Bowden's show again, a la 2005-6.
If you want to see his velocity, go to fangraphs and scroll to the bottom of his player page--http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4529&position=P.
Steven, according to Keith Law, Olsen's velocity rebounded in September, possibly explaining the good numbers he put up. Might it be a sign of things to come? Who knows.
But, frankly, I'm confused by your vehemence in rejecting this trade. I think Willingham is a very good option. He can play leftfield or firstbase in case NJ gets hurt again, and he'll put up better numbers than Aaron Boone or Kory Casto.
In your offseason outlook, here's what you said about acquiring starting pitchers:
The other option that the team will have to consider at some point is to ship off some of their stockpile of young pitchers, perhaps for a bat or a veteran arm. Clearly, they don't have room for all these guys if they all pan out. Clearly they won't all pan out, and the whole strategy of developing young pitchers should be to stockpile, but if we happen to do better than most or if our self-scouting leads us to believe that one of them is over-rated, we could certainly make a move. For now, I want to see them stand pat until at least one of these guys emerges as a front-end starter, though if I had more confidence in the GM I'd be more open to trying to make another Gibson-for-Dukes type move.
I view this Olsen move as pretty much what you said here. Our scouts thought Smolinski and Dean weren't as good as they hoped (and Smolinski is seriously injury-prone, and will likely miss part of 2009). What (I think) they saw in Olsen was an innings eater, and a potential reclamation project. You can't deny Olsen at one point was a very talented pitcher. If there's a chance that whatever he was doing in 2006 and in the minors to receive such plaudits can be rediscovered, I think he's worth the risk. Just as Elijah Dukes was coming off a dreadful 2007, maybe Olsen is just going through a rough 2007-2008. I don't expect him to pitch like he did in 2006, but if he can give us 170+ innings with a sub 5 ERA, I'll be happy.
My point was that IF we get to the point where let's say Zimmermann and Detwiler pan out as front-end starters and Carr and Hanrahan and Zinicola are locking down the back end, then you could look at moving McGeary and/or Smoker to put together the final piece of the puzzle, come 2011 or so.
At this point however, none of these guys have panned out, and we're not on the cusp of contending, and Willingham won't be any good by the time we are (if we ever do). That's assuming he's any good now, and I'm starting to be convinced that his defense is such a liability that it cancels out much of his offense. More on that tomorrow.
So my vehemence is that this deal moves us further from winning the world series. We've given up guys who have at least some chance to play for a contender for two guys who have no chance.
And Scott Olsen is an awful, terrible, unlikeable, miserable, clubhouse cancerous, bum.
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